Comments on 2009-10 NBA MVP RACE: Make your case LEBRON or KOBE -- who is better and...

@ZAFAR....Are you IDIOT??Kobe Bryant is the 2008-2...

2010-04-28T10:54:24.317-07:00

@ZAFAR....Are you IDIOT??Kobe Bryant is the 2008-2009 nba MVP and Finals MVP..what are you saying that he does not get any final mvp???MORON!!!

Blackmamba24, The question was who's better, Kob...

2010-04-08T17:46:17.282-07:00

Blackmamba24,

The question was who's better, Kobe or LeBron not who's better, the Lakers or the Cavs! I believe that the Lakers are a better TEAM than the Cavs this year even though the Cavs have the best record in the NBA. Yes! Kobe has "4 rings in his hands" but you cannot forget that 3 of the 4 rings came courtesy of the 3-time NBA Finals MVP Shaquille O'Neal. Kobe was a vital contributer, but he WAS NOT the leader on those 3 teams. Simply put, if you switch Kobe for Lebron, the Lakers would a better team and would STILL win the championship. The Cavs would not. So, Lebron is just better.

i say kobe is the best player an the NBA why will ...

2010-04-07T08:33:36.123-07:00

i say kobe is the best player an the NBA why will hes the best closer an the game and it dont matter whos an his face he knocks the shot down.yea he have some bad games but who donest have them right. dont get me wrong but lebron james is a great he going to get his time bt right now kobe is the best and lebron is right around the corner.

Wut about DWyane WADE he shud be a mvp candidate h...

2010-03-31T11:56:59.553-07:00

Wut about DWyane WADE he shud be a mvp candidate he's better than kobe and if u don't think so look at this site heres the link http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/PRA.jsp?league=00&season=22009&conf=OVERALL&position=0&splitType=9&splitScope=GAME&qualified=Y&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=
d-wade - stats 26.4 ppg 4.8 rpg 6.7 apg
Kobe bryant - 27.2 ppg 5.4 rpg 5.1 apg
09-10 season its like this 1. Lebron james
2. KEvin durant 3. Carmelo anthony 4. Dwyane Wade 5. Kobe bryant d-wade deserves mvp credit if kobe does

kobe is better than lebron not because lebron have...

2010-03-30T20:29:38.594-07:00

kobe is better than lebron not because lebron have more rebounds and assists per game.kobe is better because he have 4 rings in his hands.and 1 thing kobe has but lebron doesn't it is his passion for the game and the leadership of kobe to his team.even lebron win the MVP. i think he do not have the thing to win a championship.remember kobe is 30+ but we is still winning a title and he strong going to the game. lebron is 25 but he do not have a title.

First of all, I wanna say that I am a LAKER fan. I...

2010-03-29T15:38:50.792-07:00

First of all, I wanna say that I am a LAKER fan. I've been a LAKER fan since the showtime days. With that being said, I have to give it to Lebron James! Yes!! LEBRON JAMES IS BETTER THAN KOBE BRYANT!!! Anyone who TRUELY understands the game of basketball will have to agree. Now, I'm talking about right now...in the present. I mean, really...what does Kobe Bryant do better than Lebron James? Well, scoring I would have to give a very slight edge to Kobe, though Lebron in currently leading the league in scoring, because they both can shoot the 3, but Kobe's mid-range game and free throw shooting is better than Lebron's. BUT THAT'S IT! Lebron passes better than Kobe. Lebron rebounds better than Kobe. This year, Lebron even defends better than Kobe! Lebron is just the better TOTAL player right now and should win the MVP award this year because he can just flat out hurt a team in more ways than Kobe can...POINT BLANK!!!

Kobe has WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! more skill than Lebr...

2010-03-16T16:09:20.930-07:00

Kobe has WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! more skill than Lebron. His jumpshot looks alot better than Bron's; the only thing Lebron has over kobe is strength. Also kobe has better ball handling skills than Lebron. And when Kobe was Lebron's age he had done WAY!!! MORE! KOBE IS BETTER!!!

Kobe Bryant Is the best Of all Players he had the ...

2010-03-01T04:35:42.539-08:00

Kobe Bryant Is the best Of all Players he had the highest Score In a Game !!!!!!!!!!!! And Many Of His shot is For tHE WIn KOBE BRYANT IS THE BEST OF ALL NBA LIKE MICHAEL JORDAN Kobe is A tree pointer and a buzzer! player With a seconds shot or . seconds shot no one can defeat him The Real MvP KoBe BrYANT lebron is very good like him but bryant is the best A SHOOTER AND BEST LAY UPS DUNKS AND SHOT In tagalog Magaling Sa lahat Kahit Mag salaksak Sa Isang Game In A Big Game THE REAL MVP!!!!!!!!

colby are you stupid??? Lebron James is a better p...

2010-02-24T21:20:39.827-08:00

colby are you stupid??? Lebron James is a better player no dought!!!! He averages more points, more rebounds, more assist. Lebron is a better overall player no questions asked.

Hey people: stats don't lie, as it proves enough(p...

2010-02-11T22:11:32.184-08:00

Hey people: stats don't lie, as it proves enough(points per game,assist, rebounds, block shots)-- name it, these are the things that Lebron have had proven. He's a better all-around player than Kobe. I used to play basketball and has won 2 MVP's "though of course Am not an NBA player" -- and those are what I'd admired with the King. I agree that Kobe perhaps is a good shooter (but not as good as MJ the icon), but as you know Kobe -- he's a player to go shoot-it-first before passing (the likes of AI). Unlike, King James he is so amazing -- he's very intelligent player, he often creates a move to free-up his teammates to have an easy basket, in most cases he passes the ball when needed. Imagine scoring HIGH in every games he played with lot of assist per game (to include steals & block shots), and he did this consistently. Does any other player have those unslefish way of playing basketball? This man deserves to be the King. Look, take a deep breath -- then try to look all the good players of the NBA (most of them are the usual shoot-it-first player, a one-man-show type of player, trying to be a hero at times) unlike the King he often involved his teammates. At his young age -- his leadership and basketball skills is so amazing. He's like Michael Jordan when it comes to scoring, and a Magic Johnson or Jason Kind when it comes to assist. Oh my, common let's analyze well the player's way of playing basketball. Ask theose NBA hall of famers - and they may agree with these stuffs.

carolyn?? Are you a dumb nuts??!! You are the only...

2009-12-30T13:52:24.049-08:00

carolyn?? Are you a dumb nuts??!! You are the only one who doesn't see kobe as the next mjordan or should i say,you look with your two eyes and ears closed..Accept the reality man..you sucks!!

Although Lebron won the MVP award in 2009, Kobe ma...

2009-07-19T21:50:58.210-07:00

Although Lebron won the MVP award in 2009, Kobe made a statement last year by winning another championship. I think Lebron will continue to dominate in numbers. However, the Lakers are going to be the team to beat in 2009-10. I personally think Lebron is better than Kobe, but until he wins a championship, there is no reason to debate the issue.

it would have been very interesting if lebron were...

2009-06-11T00:08:55.660-07:00

it would have been very interesting if lebron were in the finals... like i said, conference finals is where "interesting starts." sadly, lebron's ungodly performances weren't still enough. would love to see him as a cav next season though.

Lebron James is obviousbly the better player. Look...

2009-05-21T16:59:02.708-07:00

Lebron James is obviousbly the better player. Look at the way he plays with no team. I mean Kobe gets a bunch of guys on his team that are beast and Lebron is working with virutually nothing. Lebron James also is not as expirenced commpared to Kobe so in the years to come he may become better.

It looks like Lebron James has run away with the M...

2009-05-10T20:55:00.000-07:00

It looks like Lebron James has run away with the MVP award this year. I personally think he deserved it two other years also. But, this year is not even debatable. Even Kobe and D. Wade agree. Cleveland has won 7 in a row in the playoffs, and all by double digits. If Lebron stays healthy, he will break many more records.
He shows great maturity by the way he plays the game. He makes his teammates better.
I hope Lebron is a Christian. If so, I'd like to challenge him to a game of one-on-one in heaven. Since we will all be perfect there, it will have to be a tie. (Just having a little fun. Ha!)

Lebron!!!!!!! he is jst BETTER. maybe less experie...

2009-05-10T17:01:00.000-07:00

Lebron!!!!!!! he is jst BETTER. maybe less experience but he has much more potential dan kobe even though kobe is good

The rumor today is that Lebron James WILL BE NAMED...

2009-05-04T08:35:00.000-07:00

The rumor today is that Lebron James WILL BE NAMED MVP THIS AFTERNOON AT HIS ALMA MATER IN AKRON & he is THE ONLY PLAYER WHO DESERVES THIS AWARD!! CONGRATS LEBRON & CAVS, NOW BRING US A CHAMPIONSHIP TO CLEVELAND!!!

Are you kidding me LeBron James is 50 times better...

2009-05-04T05:46:00.000-07:00

Are you kidding me LeBron James is 50 times better den Kobe Bryant. Kobe is dodo as ever. Come on now. Jebron only 24 years old and straight ownin the whole nba. He leads the nba in triple doubles. Not in point though. And datz alright cuz dwade jus get his lucky shots in. Also LeBron number 2 for ppg. Kobe number 3. And datz why LeBron is better den Kobe

I appreciate everyone's comments. However, I very...

2009-05-03T14:50:00.000-07:00

I appreciate everyone's comments. However, I very much appreciate the thought and logic of your lasting posting. We will know the winner of the 2008-09 NBA MVP within two weeks and I am confident you will be correct. This season Lebron has the edge on Kobe. I will be curious how much of a landslide the voting will be. I speculate Kobe will get several 1st place votes and D-Wade will pick up a couple, however Lebron will be the clear winner.

Hi guys I’ve been following up this thread for so...

2009-05-03T07:51:00.000-07:00

Hi guys

I’ve been following up this thread for some months and read all the posts. I’m from Europe and I work part-time as a sports reporter (also covering the NBA). I will present two analytical approaches in evaluating who should be the MVP based on his performance until NOW, in this season.

TOP-DOWN APPROACH:

- Let’s assume that the ‘value’ of a player, is total team value/performance minus the value of his teammates.
- Non-LBJ Cavs are much worse than non-Kobe LALs.. This is a no-brainer and whoever still argues the opposite is just overwhelmed with emotions, and probably a LALs fan.
- LALs have a better coach so this helps scale up the overall sum of individual performances and make them work as a team.
- Even though Cavs have the best NBA record in the regular season and the only team at the moment to be undefeated at the playoffs, let’s assume that value of Cavs and LALs is the same.
- Based on the above, LBJ deserves to win the MVP based on his performance until today.

BOTTOM-UP APPROACH:

- There are two elements to this, tangible and intangible value. Tangible is purely based on stats. Intangible is based on softer elements such as being a good team player, making the rest of the team look good, how many different things he can do in the game, level of passion, drive, experience, being a winner etc.
- In terms of tangible value, LeBron is a clear winner. This has been mentioned before, there is no question about this, numbers never lie.
- In terms of intangible value, there could be a huge debate.. LBJ definitely makes his teammates look better than they would if they did not have him in the team. On the other hand, I am not so sure that players like Gasol or Odom would do any worse without Kobe in his team, also taking into consideration that Phil Jackson is the coach. Kobe is definitely more experienced, LeBron brings more passion and energy into the team. He also can do so many different things in the game. It’s not that Kobe doesn’t do them because of Pau or Odom. He is not physically capable to do so (i.e. he is not as tall and strong as Lebron). In terms of being a “winner”.. well, until today I would say that it’s a tie. Overall, I would say that the “intangibles” part is a tie, maybe slightly favoring LBJ.
- Overall, taking both tangible and intangible elements into account, LBJ is a winner on this one as well.

Analytical approaches are always the best when it comes to such debates. And LBJ seems to be the clear winner until TODAY.

We definitely have to see how Cavs and LALs perform on the playoffs / finals, because the “winner” element will become important here.

Another reason why LeBron has probably a small advantage on being the MVP: It is clear that if the Cavs win the championship, LeBron will be the MVP. But could you say with the same level of certainty, that if LALs win the championship, Kobe will be the MVP, instead of LeBron? I am not so sure.

In terms of which player is improving or is comparable to MJ etc.. This has nothing to do with MVP. MJ or Wilt are being evaluated now after having finished their careers. Kobe has reached his potential, being 30+.. he is probably not comparable to MJ even now. Lebron still isn’t comparable to MJ, apart from having the potential to do so and being no.23...of course you never know what could happen in a couple of years. But he is still 24, and is improving his game significantly every year in many aspects (i.e. defense). So, let’s put MJ comparisons aside for the moment, they are not material today. In terms of Kobe vs. LeBron, probably LeBron this season has reached Kobe’s level and is probably a little better, and he is definitely going to escalate more in the coming years.

Last but not least, in terms of popularity overseas (which has nothing to do of course with who should be the MVP), since I remember reading a few postings on this. Lebron is already much more popular than Kobe in Europe (especially in countries where basketball is very popular like Spain, Italy and Greece), and is considered a better player. Of course, in terms of popularity, not even close to MJ, or Dominique Wilkins (that played in Europe for 1 year). Wade is popular in Europe only to people that follow NBA, but not so much to the average sports fan in general.

Lebron is Lebron! He is a leader. dont underestima...

2009-05-02T18:29:00.000-07:00

Lebron is Lebron! He is a leader. dont underestimate the rest of his team. the Lakers is a challage b/c we didnt beat them in the regular season. but i believe that the cavs as a team are determined and that when those 2 teams meet it is going down in the history books. i love my cavaliers and after watching every game i see a team!!! Kobe cares about Kobe. i love the game of basketball. and Kobe has always been a selfish player.i am sure Lebron could score 81 points but how is that getting your team involved????Go Cavs.

I dont get these people that say Cleveland is a ba...

2009-05-02T18:12:00.000-07:00

I dont get these people that say Cleveland is a bad team??? Did everyone forget the game of basketball is a TEAM sport??? Lebron cannot do it by himself. He is a leader. Kobe is a good player but he is all about himself. Just sit back and watch what the Cavs. Everyone hates on Cleveland. its time for us 2 get the respest we deserve. That team works hard!!! One Goal!!!!

hey guys, all of your thoughts are all correct.one...

2009-05-02T06:15:00.000-07:00

hey guys, all of your thoughts are all correct.one thing that kobe is greater than lebron, if we deal with experienced. kobe is well experienced compared with lebron. kobe is known for his crucial shots and lebron does not.so guys, they're both mj's disciples and that's the truth. lebron needs more experience so that he could become kobe or mj. as of now i prefer kobe than lebron.

Kobe's a stud - But LeBron's better. Take Kobe of...

2009-04-30T08:51:00.000-07:00

Kobe's a stud - But LeBron's better. Take Kobe off the Lakers, and they're still a playoff team - Odom & Gasol are both big-time players who would start on and be top 2-3 on any team in the league. Throw in Fisher, Aziza, Bynum, etc, and the Lakers are still one of the better teams out there. On the other hand, take LeBron off the Cavs, and they not only don't make the playoffs - They immediately become one of the worst teams in the league. Seriously - With props to Mo, how many of their players would you want on your team?

Throw in the fact the LeBron beat Kobe in every stat there is - points, rebounds, assists, fg%, steals, blocks - and his team had the best record in the league - and how can there be any argument?

Lebron is playing in an underrated team. Mo is a v...

2009-04-30T04:01:00.000-07:00

Lebron is playing in an underrated team.
Mo is a very talented player, Varejao and Ilgaskaus are also good. Lebron is playing on a strong team!
Its not the worst!
Cleveland got the best record because of the cleveland team itself. And not because of lebron.
Mo must be very much credited for the Cavalier's best record.